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Does anybody have a source for these rebuild kits? I need at least three.
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Hi Howard,

Have you tried any of the Tbird parts vendors yet? If not, Bob's Bird House, Bird Nest, Mac's and the others. You might also try googling for Rebuild Kit for Carter 4441 Fuel Pumps There are some websites there that might help.
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Thanks Ray. I think I have been through all of those and then some. One possibility is Then and Now Automotive (http://www.maritimedragracing.com/th...automotive.htm ). I emailed them but haven't got an answer yet. There are new fuel pumps available on eBay, some NOS, some used as well as some rebuilt AC units. I talked with one rebuilder today and they want $160 per pump to rebuild. WOW!
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The Carter pump is a difficult pump to rebuild and the 160.00 price doesn't surprise me. I've got the kits for the AC pumps,, but the best place for the Carter kits is Then and Now. Be careful with the eBay pumps, I've seen the AC's being offered but they are not the 4441's. They are listed for the 430, but they fit the later 430 and the 462s. The inlet for the true 4441 is at 9 o'clock and the outlet at 6 o'clock when looking from the driver's seat. These others will fit, but their outlet is to a different direction and you must cobble some lines to make it work.
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Carl: Are the 430 fuel pumps offered on eBay (such as item #310207728717) by z11pacer the appropriate pump? It looks like a Carter 4441 and the ports look to be in the right position. $100 for a new one beats $160 to have one rebuilt in my world.

Can you be more specific as to why the Carter 4441 pump is difficult to rebuild. Is this a task that requires skills beyond a typical shade tree mechanic?
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Howard,
It is difficult to tell from the angle of the photo, however there is a Carter on now for much less than 100., see 310210404126.
The Carter takes a special kit with unique Carter valves. The disassembly of the pump is difficult, specifically releasing the stem from the arm. There is an extra shield in place in the innerds of the pump that thwarts releasing it. I've struggled with one and gave up. I'm sure there are some who are more experienced in pump rebuilding who would say it's not that difficult. The last one I had, I turned it into a company to rebuild, and the price was twice what they quoted. So, I avoid them.
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Carl:
Thanks for the info. If you had to give up then so would I. I saw the item on eBay you mentioned and decided not to pursue it. It was rebuilt over 40 years ago. I don't think I would trust the diaphragms, expecially with the current gasoline blends.
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A response from z11pacer says that their pumps are made by Borg Warner and are the same fit as Carter.
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Bart Como had found some kits & rebuilt them himself, as well.

Try e-mailing him off this site. It might take some time for him to get back with you too, as he sold his 430cid Bird not too long ago, and isn't on this site like he used to be.

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Then and Now Automotive (http://www.maritimedragracing.com/th...automotive.htm ) do have kits for Carter #4441 fuel pumps @$37.50 each plus S&H. As it turns out, I don't have Carter fuel pumps but something else. I have a couple of boxes that are labelled Niehoff 4441. Niehoff may be the same as Borg Warner - at least I saw one list of affiliated companies that includes Federal Mogul, Niehoff and Borg Warner. The ports on the pumps I have appear to be the same fit as Carter, ie. inlet high at 9 o'clock, outlet low at 6 o'clock. They look the same as the ones z11pacer is selling on eBay for MEL 430 engines. z11pacer says their pumps are made by Borg Warner. So far I haven't been able to find a kit for Borg Warner fuel pumps.

I partially diasassembled one of my fuel pumps and the diaphragms looked OK but possibly stretched a bit.
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