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I was all set to order a Dearborn Classics fan shroud for my '59 430 and then it occurred to me that the comments and articles I have seen are for '60 430s, not '59 430s. My concern is that with the overflow resevoir on my '59 running lengthwise with the engine rather than crosswise per the '60 430s, there may not be enough room for a fan shroud. Has anyone successfully installed a Dearborn Classics fan shroud on a '59 430?
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Hi Howard,

I understand your concern regarding whether or not the Dearborn Classics fan shroud will fit on a '59 with a 430 engine. Here is a link to the Dearborn site about it.

http://www.dearbornclassics.com/cgi-...rt_number=fs12

Notice that the 430 engine is not listed as being one of those engines it fits on. Dearborn should be able to tell you if it will fit or not. So should some of our members who own 430's and have tried the Dearborn version or the original metal ones.

Some members have not bought the Dearborn shroud because it is not made of metal and there was a concern it might give to much being made of fiberglass, or be adversely effected by the heat. So they went looking for the original metal ones. I have one on my Tbird 352 that came off a '63 Galaxie. bcomo has one that he was going to put on his 430, but I think it is available. We found ours off of eBay. Here is some information on the FE engine sizes used in the '63 Galaxy.

352 in3 (5.8 L) FE series V8
390 in3 (6.4 L) FE series V8
406 in3 (6.6 L) FE series V8
427 in3 (7.0 L) FE series V8

Here is some information on one from Concours Parts.

http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50000051b~Z5Z5Z5AAFNJ~ P199.95~~~~~~~F

I just talked with Bart bcomo about his metal fan shroud. He tells me that it WILL fit Tbirds with 430 engines, as they have the same sized radiator, and it will NOT be adversely effected by the position of the overflow tank. His metal fan shroud has no rust, is in great shape, painted and ready to go. He just never go around to installing it and probably will not now. You will have to relocate the support tabs on the bottom to different locations for proper mounting, as my mechanic had to do. Also, be very careful drilling the radiator for the top supports. If you drill to deeply, you will puncture the radiator. If you are interested in his fan shroud, PM him. I think it is Tbird430 who has one on his 430 Tbird and it works well. A five or six bladed fan is something else you will want to have. Or some have installed an electric fan.

I hope this is of help to you.
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I had posted the 430cid metal fan shroud info on here yesterday on another subject. Here is the link: http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin...8641#post28641 I'm the last reply. In short, yes the metal orginal fan shroud off a 1960-63 Galaxie/Fairlane or Mercury Montaray (with 352-390) will work with some slight mods.

I really sounds like you have an incorrect 352cid overflow tank on your T-Bird.

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Thanks for the info, Jon. I'm quite sure it is the right expansion tank for a '59 430 - it is consistent with Fig. 9, p. 1-53 in the 1959 Thunderbird Shop Manual. I think the orientation of the expansion tank is one of the differences between the 1959s and 1960s.
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The expansion tank on the 59 and 60 430 engine are the same. I haven't look at the diagram you've referenced, so I can't speak for that. However, the 430 expansion tank is lengthwise from front to back in order to clear the fuel pump and the oil fill spout. If yours is mounted opposite, you're either missing the fuel pump and oil fill or the engine in your car is not a 430. A quick check for a 430 vs an FE ( 352 family) is the fuel pump location. Lower front driver side is the pump location for an FE engine, top front center on the 430 engine. A picture of the top front of your engine would help to clear this up.
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Oops! I guess I was thinking about the 352s rather than the '60 430s. Anyway, my expansion tank sits lengthwise with the engine as you suggest and as illustrated in the Shop Manual.
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Jon: how long (short, actually) did you drill into the top of the radiator to mount the top half of the shroud?? This seems tricky for the obvious reason if you go too deep you
open up the radiator. I have a Galaxie shroud and have been leery of trying this part. What did you use for bolts? Self tapping? Any details appreciated.

Howard: if you find a used expansion tank, don't just bolt it on. These things are notorious for leaking. Take it to a radiator shop and get it pressure tested and repaired as needed. This is a weak point in the cooling system. I copied Alexander's photo of his so you could see the expansion tank.



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Hi John,

I will give you the answer I got from my mechanic when he put my Ford Galaxy fan shroud on. He used a short drill bit, and drilling slowly and carefully, pulled out as soon as he broke through the metal. He said there is actually a lot more space between that top and the top of the radiator, but they were careful that they did not go deep. Just enough to break through. Then they used two small self tapping screws to secure it tightly to the radiator top.
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I would suggest a piece a small hose or tube, cut and slipped over your drill bit to expose the drill bit tip the depth you're wanting to drill. This will act as a built in stop so the bit dosen't bite into the radiator if you have to much pressure behind the drill.
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I did what Ken said above, I slipped some 3/8" fuel hose over my drill bit. I left about a 1/16" then started drilling....
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