This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 09-20-2017, 02:18 PM
sagembox sagembox is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 1 2016
Posts: 18
sagembox is on a distinguished road
Default Front end noise after 1hour driving

Hello friends,

The front end passanger side on my bird make noise after 1h of driving. I changed the Idler arm bushing, because they where worn out. The ball joints look new??! Seems they where changed by the preowner. It totaly confuses me, that the noise starts after a while of driving.
Maybe the engine heat up the control arm bushing?
The noise sounds like scratching when i turn the steeringwheel and drive over a rough road.
Any ideas or suggetions what it can be?

Markus
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-20-2017, 02:26 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,748
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

It could be a number of things. I would check the upper and lower control arm bushings as you mentioned. They have a tendency to get noisier the longer you drive. Especially the uppers. If they've already been replaced recheck the torque after you drive it awhile.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-20-2017, 02:49 PM
Dakota Boy's Avatar
Dakota Boy Dakota Boy is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Jun 30 2009
Posts: 1,498
Dakota Boy is on a distinguished road
Default

Check your oil pan to see if the steering linkage has been rubbing on it....
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-20-2017, 05:17 PM
scumdog's Avatar
scumdog scumdog is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: May 12 2006
Posts: 1,337
scumdog is on a distinguished road
Default

Check your front wheel bearings- if worn they can allow the brake drum to contact the side of the brake shoes.
__________________
A Thunderbirder from the Land of the Long White Cloud.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-21-2017, 08:15 AM
sagembox sagembox is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 1 2016
Posts: 18
sagembox is on a distinguished road
Default

Hello again,

as i said, i changed the idler arm bushing. Is it possible that an incorrect torque is the reason for the noise? The torque is just a little more than hand tight. Only the force you can put on it with a normal wrench.

Markus
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-27-2017, 10:19 AM
sagembox sagembox is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 1 2016
Posts: 18
sagembox is on a distinguished road
Default

Hello guys,

I changed the upper control arm bushing and the ball joints today. The question now how to thighten the screws on the bushing/inner shaft? With load on it or not?

Regards from germany
Markus
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-27-2017, 10:45 AM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,748
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sagembox View Post
Hello guys,

I changed the upper control arm bushing and the ball joints today. The question now how to thighten the screws on the bushing/inner shaft? With load on it or not?

Regards from germany
Markus
The bolts must be torqued with the car on the ground. Push the front end up and down a few times then torque the bolts to spec. After you drive the car recheck the torque.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-01-2017, 11:28 AM
sagembox sagembox is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 1 2016
Posts: 18
sagembox is on a distinguished road
Default

The noise is still present!
The new bushings went in very easy, when i watch several videos on youtube it seams to me that there must be much more force to put push Thema in ,than i used. Can i weld the bushings to the control arm to get a strong connection between the parts? I saw this solution also on the i-net.
Another question, must there be an isolator between the coilspring and the lower control arm? I believe the scratching sound comes from there, is this possible?

Markus
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-01-2017, 12:41 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,748
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sagembox View Post
The noise is still present!
The new bushings went in very easy, when i watch several videos on youtube it seams to me that there must be much more force to put push Thema in ,than i used. Can i weld the bushings to the control arm to get a strong connection between the parts? I saw this solution also on the i-net.
Another question, must there be an isolator between the coilspring and the lower control arm? I believe the scratching sound comes from there, is this possible?

Markus
The bushings are pressed in. If they went in easy either you have the wrong bushings or your arms are worn.

There's no isolater between the spring and the lower control arm.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-01-2017, 03:57 PM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,068
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

I have seen control arms with bushing holes that are too large. The solution can be as simple as, pounding the hole flange inward because bushing holes are extruded, forming a flange.

Another solution is to build up the hole with weld, then grinding to size.

Tack welding the bushing is tricky because the bushing's rubber cannot tolerate any heat or it will melt.

What did 'bearing inspection' reveal?

The front coil springs have rubber isolators on the top only. - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:14 AM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.