This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 09-30-2014, 04:21 PM
Fossil5 Fossil5 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 30 2014
Posts: 9
Fossil5 is on a distinguished road
Default For Real Barn Find

I recently purchased a "98% rust free" 1962 Thunderbird Convertible with tonneau cover true barn find. Someone started the restoration process and this bird has been sitting totally dismantled for 12 years. I am in the process of re assembling and getting it ready for paint. It came with {no lie} 4 trailer loads of parts... 3 hoods 5 doors 3 complete interiors and 3 engines along with boxes and boxes of stainless etc., power steering pumps and every thing that would come from 2 parts cars. There was 15 coffee cans of hardware. Now the clincher...The only transmission was the cruise o matic completely disassembled and in 3 more boxes. I cant find a cruise o matic and dont know if all the parts are there for this one and it might not be cost effective to even try to have it rebuilt.... Greatly appreciate any info on possible updating to a C4 or C6
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-30-2014, 04:26 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,748
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

I would recommend a C6 over the C4 if you can't find a cruise-o-matic. However you will have to do some modifications to the trans mount. I believe the stock drive shaft will work but maybe someone else can chime in on that.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-30-2014, 04:47 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 11,817
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default For Real Barn Find

Now that is a barn find and a half! If you have the Data Plate, with VIN # and data information, you might want to register it on the Tbird Registry, or see if it is already registered. John Rotella has dedicated himself to locating, and recording every remaining Tbird out there, crunched, parted out, being restored, or still on the streets, from 1955-2005. Here is the website. If you know the VIN # you can type it in and it will tell you if it has been registered in the past and what the registry number is.

http://www.tbirdregistry.com
__________________

Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
'59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
"It's Hip To Be Square"
Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

rayclark07"at"att.net (Home) 210-674-5781 (Cell) 210-875-1411
http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-30-2014, 06:15 PM
Fossil5 Fossil5 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 30 2014
Posts: 9
Fossil5 is on a distinguished road
Default For real Barn Find

Thanks Jopizz for that info. I agree C6 would be better especially with the FE390. If anybody has done the swap they have the step by step and all the odd things I have to work through. One thing I wonder is there a year range or car model for the C6 that would be preferred due to the shift indicator etc.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-30-2014, 06:43 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,748
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't think the year of C6 really matters. Certainly the linkage will change depending on the model. Most 1966 Thunderbirds had C6's. You will also have to consider the different flywheel and starter that was used.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-30-2014, 06:59 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 11,817
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default For Real Barn Find

In 1966 production runs the COM was installed in the early production units until mid-November. After that, the C6 was installed in all 1966 Flairbirds. So, if you look for a C6 out of a '66 Flairbird, and you don't want a COM, make sure the Build Date on the car Data Plate is an M for December or beyond that, and not an L for November. And check, if you can, underneath the car to make sure there is a C6 tranny in it and not something else... I can't imagine someone taking out a C6 and putting a COM in a '66, but you never know...
__________________

Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
'59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
"It's Hip To Be Square"
Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

rayclark07"at"att.net (Home) 210-674-5781 (Cell) 210-875-1411
http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-30-2014, 07:43 PM
Fossil5 Fossil5 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 30 2014
Posts: 9
Fossil5 is on a distinguished road
Default for real barn find

thanks guys that's good information I did not know that about the 66 bird either so I'll be on the hunt for a good tranny and be sure to get the flywheel and starter also thanks again .
Ron
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-01-2014, 11:20 AM
Yadkin Yadkin is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 11 2012
Posts: 1,910
Yadkin is on a distinguished road
Default

If the car came with that COM, and you have all the parts, why not rebuild it? The factory repair manual has some diagrams, and there are exploded views of the assembly on the internet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the COM has the "big dot, little dot" feature and the C4 C6 do not. So you will have a shifter linkage and display issue.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-02-2014, 08:06 PM
Fossil5 Fossil5 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 30 2014
Posts: 9
Fossil5 is on a distinguished road
Default real barn find

I looked at the repair manual and I cant determine if all the parts are there or not... Bare in mind this tranny has been in pieces for the most part I guess of 12 years and lord knows whats not there. To make matters worse I am NO transmission man that is for sure. I am going to take this "basket case" to a tranny shop but I am expecting eyes glazed over and them to show me the door. The best I can hope for is a comment of no problem to put a C6 in place of it. You have a very valid point about the "big Dot little Dot" feature. That is one question I would ask to someone that had converted to a C6. what did they do to get it to line up ? If you have a link for the exploded view of the COM i would like to view it. Thanks again for your comments.
Ron
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-02-2014, 08:22 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,748
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

Here are a couple of exploded views. Not sure how much it is going to help. Also, here's a link to Dave Dare's transmission rebuild.
http://home.comcast.net/~simplyconne...ic/default.htm

John
Attached Images
File Type: jpg cruise1.jpg (56.6 KB, 96 views)
File Type: jpg cruise2.jpg (62.4 KB, 94 views)
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:07 PM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.