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Old 01-22-2012, 10:36 AM
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Hello have you or some one you know ever put a 430 from a 59 full size mercury or monarch in a 59 tbird.Iam thinking of putting one in i have in a 59 monarch sceptre. The tbird has a 352 now is the trans the same there both cruizeomatics and any other differances.in motor or linkage.
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Hi twotone, Someone else is going to have to answer some of your questions, but I can tell you that the COM in a '59 Tbird with a 352CI engine is different than that for a '59 Tbird with a 430CI engine. So is the rear end. The COM used with a 352CI engine is a PBL-U and a 430CI engine should have an ID of PBB-M to indicate it is the heavier duty COM for the 430. The rear axle codes are different also. A '59 Tbird with a 430CI engine in it should have one of these rear axle codes. Code 5 - 2.91:1 (430 Engine) Code 0 - 2.91:1 (430 Engine) Code F - 2.91:1 Equa Lock (430 Engine). Check out this website.
http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird...fications.html
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Old 01-22-2012, 07:38 PM
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Thanks again brother i have to get alot done to get to that point your info will help lots . i even have the 383 merc to that one is locked up though.
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The front springs are different also - I'm sure it's because of the heavier 430. I believe the air cleaner is particular to the Tbird and may be too tall and hit the hood if you use the one from the Merc. I do know that the air cleaner from the 430 will fit the 352 (and probably vice versa) if both have (or had) the Ford 4100 carb. I am using a 430 air cleaner on my 352 - they look identical except the end of the snorkel.

Only differences I am aware of other than what Ray listed.

Good luck on your project - post some pics if you get a chance!

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Come to think of it, I think the motor mounts for the 430CI are different also. Someone can verify or correct that if needs be, please.
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This post from the MEL forum may be of interest.
http://ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic...&hilit=hawkrod
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Thanks for posting that information by Hawkrod and additional comments by KULTULZ. Within that information is another link that ya'll might want to take a look at. It is this.

http://reviews.ebay.com/Ford-V-8-Eng...00000004021551

I think I am going to add this information to the TRL for future use. It looks to be very good information to have for posterity. And..... I did!
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This is all valuble info glad i asked before doing anything.I have been to the wixom assembly plant back in the middle 90s when they were making the topaz.She,s a legend sorry to here its closed.

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Old 01-23-2012, 09:46 PM
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You can mount a 59/60 430 into the BIRD with little work as the combination was factory offered. The 59/60 430 BIRD has forward engine mounts and the FE has center mounts riding on the cross member.

The 430 can be set down using FE mounts (early blocks 59/60 had both mounting positions in the side skirts).

I would think the FE flex plate and convertor can be used. The FE trans is a lighter duty (MX) but should hold a mild 430. The rears are the same, only the ratios different.
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Thankyou brother im hoping to get at it sometime this year.Iwas hoping to have it were the 352 could go back in with little trouble.
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